Dive Deeper

About the Page

Our Dive Deeper page extends the conversations of each podcast episode with links to books discussed, primary sources mentioned, and other resources recommended by our guests and co-costs.

Season One’s Dive Deeper resources were compiled by SMU Podcast Intern: Taylor Enslin.

+ Episode 1: Abraham Lincoln

In this episode, we spoke with historians Edna Greene Medford and Eric Foner about Abraham Lincoln and his colossal importance in any discussion of race, citizenship, and the presidency. Our conversations with our guests illuminated Lincoln's complicated and evolving legacy.

We've provided an episode transcript, primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into the story of Abraham Lincoln and race.

Further Readings

Books:

Primary Resources

  • Notable quotes from Abraham Lincoln on slavery

Other Resources

  • Newspaper of Record (Documentary, Directed by Kenneth Love and Written by Bill Doorley, 2009)

+ Episode 2: Andrew Johnson

In this episode, we spoke with historians Jon Meacham and Lesley Gordon about Andrew Johnson's contentious and consequential presidency. Our conversations with our guests highlighted the ways Johnson undermined Abraham Lincoln's plans for Reconstruction and revisited the steps that ultimately led to Johnson's impeachment.

We've provided an episode transcript, primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into the story of Andrew Johnson and race.

Further Readings

Books

Primary Resources

Other Resources

+ Episode 4: Ulysses S. Grant

In this episode, we spoke with historian Hilary Green and National Park Service ranger Nick Sacco about the many sides of U.S. Army General turned president, Ulysses S. Grant. Our conversations with our guests examined how Grant’s military experience shaped his thinking about Reconstruction.

We've provided an episode transcript, primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into the story of Ulysses S. Grant and race.

Further Readings

Books

  • Ron Chernow, Grant (Penguin Publishing Group, 2018)

Primary Resources

Other Resources

+ Episode 5: Rutherford B. Hayes

In this episode, we spoke with scholars Alaina E. Roberts and Brooks Simpson about Rutherford B. Hayes and why historians often use his election to mark the moment Reconstruction ended in the South. Our discussions with our guests explored how Hayes’s administration affected the free black community across the country, including those living in Native American territory.

We've provided an episode transcript, primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into the story of Rutherford B. Hayes and race.

Further Readings

Books

Primary Resources

Other Resources

+ Episode 6: James A. Garfield and Chester A. Arthur

In this episode we heard from historians Todd Arrington and Katie Benton-Cohen about the brief presidency--and lost potential--of James A. Garfield. The guests focused especially on the two presidents’ struggles with civil service reform, immigration, and Native American policy.

We've provided an episode transcript, primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into James Garfield and Chester Arthur and race.

Further Readings

Books

Primary Resources

Other Resources

+ Episode 7: Grover Cleveland and Benjamin Harrison

In this episode we spoke to historians Greg Downs and Gordon H. Chang about the consequential presidencies of Grover Cleveland and Benjamin Harrison, who led the nation as African American rights eroded, immigration increased, and Native American rights were threatened.

We've provided an episode transcript, primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into the often overlooked leadership of Grover Cleveland and Benjamin Harrison.

Further Readings

Books

Primary Resources

Other Resources

  • Benjamin Harrison Presidential Home in Westland, New Jersey (National Parks Service, 2020)