Dive Deeper

About the Page

Our Dive Deeper page extends the conversations of each podcast episode with links to books discussed, primary sources mentioned, and other resources recommended by our guests and co-costs.

Season One’s Dive Deeper resources were compiled by SMU Podcast Intern: Taylor Enslin.

+ Episode 8: William McKinley

In this episode, we spoke with American foreign policy experts Daniel Immerwahr and Richard Maass about President William McKinley and the rationale for and consequences of territorial expansion. Our conversations with our guests demonstrated the complicated ways race shaped those decisions and helped us see parallels between debates over immigration and citizenship in the 19th century and arguments over those issues today.

We’ve provided an episode transcript, primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into the story of William McKinley and race.

Further Readings

Books

Primary Resources

Other Resources

  • William McKinley Tomb in Niles, Ohio (National Parks Service, 2021)

+ Episode 9: Theodore Roosevelt

In this episode, we spoke with scholars whose work illuminates the presidency of Theodore Roosevelt through the lenses of memory and rhetoric. Historian Michael Cullinane and communications and public affairs specialist Leroy Dorsey reflected upon TR’s outsized and legendary personality and how Roosevelt’s ideas about race and empire complicated his commitment to social and economic reform.

We’ve provided an episode transcript, primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into the story of Theodore Roosevelt and race.

Further Readings

Books

Primary Resources

Other Resources

  • Theodore Roosevelt Foreign Affairs (Article, Sidney Milkis, UVA Miller Center, 2021)

  • Theodore Roosevelt Home at Sagamore Hill (National Parks Service, 2021)

+ Episode 10: William Howard Taft

In this episode we heard from historian Christopher Nichols and award-winning writer Dan Okrent about the presidency of William Howard Taft, our only chief executive to also serve on the Supreme Court. These guests helped up appreciate how Taft's judicial temperament influenced his presidential decisions on race, and frustrated members of his own party.

We've provided an episode transcript, primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into the racial implications of William Howard Taft's Presidency.

Further Readings

Books

Primary Resources

Other Resources

+ Episode 11 & 12: Woodrow Wilson

In this dual episode 11 and episode 12 we spoke to three historians about president Woodrow Wilson's momentous White House Tenure. Paul Behringer Adriane Lentz-Smith reflected upon Wilson's views on race and placed them in international context. Tom Knock offered a slightly more complimentary portrayal of Wilson's life and legacy, based on his life's work studying the 28th president.

We've provided primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into the story of Woodrow Wilson and race.

Further Readings

Books

  • A. Scott Berg, Wilson (Penguin Publishing Group, 2013)

Primary Resources

  • Wilson's Fourteen Points Speech (US Embassy & Consulate in the Republic of Korea, 1918)

Other Resources

  • Wilson's House in Washington D.C. (National Park Service, 2021)

+ Episode 15 & 16 Franklin D. Roosevelt

In episode 15 and episode 16, we spoke to three historians about the transformational presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. First, historian Eric Rauchway provided a clinical overview of Roosevelt’s time in office, highlighting the role race played throughout. Then we talked with historian Jill Watts about the vital role played by Roosevelt’s “Black Cabinet,” and novelist Jamie Ford about the legacy of FDR’s Japanese internment policy.

We've provided primary and secondary sources, and other materials for those who want to dive deeper into Roosevelt’s complicated history with race.

Further Readings

Books

  • Jean Edward Smith, FDR (Penguin Random House, 2008)

Primary Resources

Other Resources

  • FDR Biography (FDR Presidential Library, 2021)

  • Franklin Delano Roosevelt Memorial (National Park Service, 2021)